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Showing posts with label Emmett Till. Show all posts
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Monday, August 7, 2023

MORE ON CAROLYN BRYANT AND EMMETT TILL

 This is just a reflection on the (in)famous incident that occurred so long ago in Money, Mississippi

I grew up in New Orleans in an integrated neighborhood.  I attended Judah P. Benjamin Elementary school just 2 blocks away from my home.  Attending from kindergarten through 8th grade in the 1940s and 50s, of course it was segregated, all white.  Names after the first practicing Jew to be elected to the US Senate - from Louisiana, and long before Henry Kissinger and Madeline Albright, Benjamin was the first Jew to be included in an American President's Cabinet as Secretary of State.  That was under Pres. Jefferson Davis, CSA.  The building took up about 1/4 of the block, behind which was some paved area, and most of the other half was grass where we could play.  Also there was a small home where the janitor resided.  Directly across the stree from that home, was a small grocery store, owned by Mr. Johnson.  All the rest of the block around our school were other homes.  I ate lunch at home, and in that hour had lots of time to go to and fro.  We also had a 20 minute recess during the morning, and some of would ruch to Mr. Johnson's store an buy a large dill pickel for a nickle.  He would reach into the big jar with a fork, remove a pickle and surround it with brown paper to hand to the children.  Mr Johnson was black, and some of the signs in the store showed Pet Milk for a baby, and in the ad, the baby was black.  Occasionally, my mom would call that grocery and order some foods.  His daughter, Iantha delivered them.  One afternoon I came home and Iantha was seated beside my mother crying, my mother comforting her.  My entrance ended the conversation, but later my mother told me Mr. Johnson, whose wife had died (Iantha's mom) had left a void, and Mr. Johnson had found a new woman, and something went wrong, and she was scheming to take away his grocery.  Then things changed, and we stopped going at recess because the school siad were were not to leave the school grounds at that time.  Next time I did go, a black woman was seated and running the store.  A few years later, I walked across a big bridge to the Carrollton shopping center: a Walgreens, a bowling alley, an early Maison Blanch satellite store (moving some business from downtown) and a National Food Market chain.  Outside, was Mr. Johnson sweeping the pavement.  Seemed he was now a lowly employee at the chain store.

      Carolyn Bryant ran a small grocery in Mississippi.  She undoubted had both black and white customers.  She probably needed both to stay in business.  She may have been friendlier to white customers overall, but she might have been friendly to some of the blacks too.  She needed both.

     Emmett Till's assault on her was sufficient to totally upset her.  When she told her husband and then his brother, she might have realized there would be repercussions.  She may well have realized that her grocery store might be lost.  But, should she not tell her husband about the incident that so upset her?  Remain silent?  Hope that he does not come in again, or that his friends do not try the same play?  The murder of Till is an outrage, a punishment that does not fit has actions.  But then, the store went out of business.  Good will is required on both sides if a business is to succeed in integrated communities.----HUGH MURRAY


Monday, July 24, 2023

EMMETT AND MAMIE TILL TO RECEIVE PRES. BIDEN's RECOGNITION

 We only hear one side in the case of Emmett Till.  His murder was horrible, but we get only a glossed over picture of what preceded it.  When Newser recently had a short story on the matter, with room for comments, I made a comment.  Here it is:

"The young, chunky Till enters the store with a young white woman clerk. Till from Chicago is going to impress his hick relatives on how to do things. Till puts his are round her waist and grabs her arm and makes some lude remarks. She gets away from him, and goes looking for her weapon.
In most civilized societies when a male makes a play for a married woman, he is inviting trouble. If Mamie Till had taught her son some manners, there would have been no trouble. Till got more trouble than he deserved and a brutal death, but had he been polite, he might still be alive."


Normally, the major media is determined to present the case of the woman, usually making the male the villain.  This case is the major exception.  I was not there.  The woman was a store clerk in the small store owned by her husband.  She often had black customers without any trouble.  Till's friends, who were either insed the store with him, or just outside the door, were looking on.  Till was showing them what a big man he was; what he could do and get away with.  Indirectly, he was telling his Mississippi relatives and friends, you can do this too when I"m back up North.  This would be not a single, but only the first of many assaults on that white woman.  She and her husband and brother-in-law decided to nip this in the bud.  She rode with them to make sure they apprehended the guilty Till and not his innocent friends.  Unfortunately, their brutal, murderous punishment went far beyond the transgression of the teen.---Hugh Murray

Tuesday, December 7, 2021

EMMETT TILL STILL IN THE NEWS & THE NEW YORK TIMES

 The following is an excerpt from a NY Times article, as posted 7 Dec. 2021 on the site of American Renaissance.  Below the article is my comment on it - and on the case.   Hugh Murray

Audra D. S. Burch and Tariro Mzezewa, New York Times, December 6, 2021

 

The Justice Department announced on Monday that it had closed an investigation into the abduction and murder of Emmett Till, the African American teenager whose gruesome killing by two white men more than six decades ago in Mississippi helped begin the civil rights movement.

In a news release dated Dec. 6, federal officials said there was not enough evidence to pursue charges in the case, which was reopened after a historian claimed in a book that Carolyn Bryant Donham, the central witness whose account of an encounter with Emmett led to his death, had recanted the most salacious portions of her story — that he had grabbed her and made sexually suggestive remarks.

Citing the statute of limitations and Ms. Donham’s denial that she had ever changed her story, the Justice Department said it could not move forward with prosecuting her for perjury.

During a moment of the trial in which jurors were not present, Ms. Donham claimed that the teenager had made sexually vulgar comments toward her and physical contact. But in a book published in 2017, “The Blood of Emmett Till” by Timothy B. Tyson, the author wrote that Ms. Donham had recanted her testimony in a 2008 interview, saying that the earlier stories she told were “not true.”

{snip}

Mr. Tyson’s claim generated outrage and renewed calls for the case to be reopened. Kristen Clarke, who leads the Justice Department’s civil rights division, delivered the news to the family in person that the case was formally closed.

In a statement on Monday, the Justice Department said Mr. Tyson, despite saying he had recorded two interviews with Ms. Donham, provided just one recording to the F.B.I. that did not contain a recantation.

{snip}

Ms. Donham, 87, has rarely spoken publicly about the case. Her former husband and another man confessed to Emmett’s murder, though the confessions came after they were acquitted by an all-white jury. Both men are dead.

{snip}

In closing its investigation, the Justice Department said that Ms. Donham denied ever recanting her earlier testimony. In 2018, Ms. Donham’s daughter-in-law, Marsha Holley Bryant, who was present for the interviews with Mr. Tyson, said that Ms. Donham never recanted.

 

   MY COMMENT:

Mr Tyson says she recanted. Another woman, present at the interviews says Ms Donham did not. Tyson says he has 2 recordings of interviews with Ms Donham and gave one to the FBI. On that one, no recantation. Tyson never gave the other one to the FBI, if there was a 2nd one. Ms. Donham now says she did not recant. Tyson interviewed Ms. Donham some years ago, and said nothing about her changing her story AT THAT TIME until nearly a decade later when he published his book. At that time the media said Ms Donham was senile and could not confirm his story in his book. Hmmm! Is it possible the author of the book, Mr. Tyson, could have invented the story of her recantation in order to promote sales of his book? Is it possible Tyson lied? That he lied to smear a woman ,who when a young clerk in a store had to endure insulting and threatening advances by an obnoxious visitor from a distant city where such rude behaviour might have been tolerated or even the norm? But in Mississippi, as in most civilized lands, if you proposition a married woman, you are asking for trouble.


Comment of Pax Romana posted on Am Ren site 7 Dec 2021 but re the killing of another 14-year-old, edited


Black teenager, Emmett Till, (who sexually harassed a married woman in a store that was essentially her home, and was the son of an executed rapist and murderer), [I do not think the elder Till was charged with murder- Hugh Murray] who was himself murdered over 66 years ago, and who has been Memorialized, Sanctified, and Glorified by the MSM, Democrats, and in schools across the nation and around the world, right up to the present day, was also 14 years old at the time.

Here is a partial list of innocent White 14 year olds (the ones I know of), murdered by blacks, that the MSM, Democrats, and in schools across the nation and around the world, couldn't care less about:

14 year-old Ryan Rogers (stabbed to death while riding his bicycle, stabbed numerous times in the head and face were the cause of death) Palm Beach Gardens, FL., 11-15-2021

14 year-old Steven Wayne Butler III (beaten to death, body found in ditch)* Champaign, ILL., 7-29-2021

14 year-old Daisey ‘Jupiter’ Paulsen (stabbed more than 25 times, and strangled, while skateboarding) Fargo, N.D., 6-4-2021

14 year-old Cody Walker (shot to death, skeletal remains found in woods)* Milton, FL., 3-14-2021

14 year-old Ian Wilsey (shot to death in cold blood while walking to the store) Philadelphia, Pa. 11-28-2016

14 year-old David Kohler-Carpenter (shot to death, along with his 18 year old sister

14 year-old David Kohler-Carpenter (shot to death, along with his 18 year old sister and their father; home invasion) Barberton, OH., 12-31-2013

14 year-old Kelli O'Laughlin (stabbed to death during home burglary, perp taunted mother with dead daughter's cell phone) Indian Head Park, IL., 10-27-2011

14 year-old Lauren Deis (raped, stabbed to death, raped again after death, mutilation of her corps)* Pittsburgh, PA., 7-7-2010

14 year-old Chelsea Porter (raped, stabbed to death, during home burglery) Columbus, IND., 6-29-2007

14 year-old Chelsea Brooks (pregnant from rape, later strangled to death by rapist and accomplice)* Wichita, KS., 6-9-2006

14 year-old Ashley Nicole Neves (throat slite, face mutalated, hacked to death, for refusing perps advances)* Saint Marys, Camden County, GA., 5-21-2000

14 year-old Jennifer Ertman (kidnapped, gang raped, tortured, strangled to death, along with her 16 year old white girlfriend) Houston, TX., 6-24-1993

14 year-old Jody Lynn Wolf (raped, beaten to death, nude body found floating face up in Fresno canal) Fresno, CA., 8-13-1985

14 year-old Susan Jacobson (strangled to death, body in a 55-gallon oil barrel)* New York, N.Y., 5-15-1976