Hugh Murray, With the victory of Constantine, Rome turned its back on its religious and to some extent, its cultural past, - the opposition to the joys of the Coliseum, for example. In the 500s, with the codification of Roman Law under Justinian, it is clear that pagans and Jews were to be 2nd class citizens of the new empire. Homosexuality, which was prevalent in the Greek and even Roman worlds, brought with it in addition to the death penalty imposed around 320 with Constantine. Under Justinian, there would still be the death penalty, but torture would precede that to make it worse. There was no immediate end of all Roman culture, and the Library of Alexandria continued to inspire thought freely, but the trend was away from free inquiry, into religious issues, the beginning of the closed mindedness we associate with the Middle Ages. When the Roman Empire (or if you prefer Byzantine) defeated the Seleucids the victors took away their statue of the long haired Adonis, to show the old faith of the Mid-East was conquered.. When Islam came on the scene, That empire was no longer what it had been, and the Roman Empire no longer what it had been. Suddenly, there was now one new group crashing onto the scene with a new culture and a new religion. The clash of Islam was a war of one new religious group with 2 tired. spent empires.
Jews were already 2nd class citizens in Christian Europe, so they might adopt more easily to the 2nd class status of Islam. And while Christians and Muslims continued to war against each other in the Med. Sea, Jews who had relatives in both Christian Europe and now also in Islam's N Africa could become what Pirenne called them, Jew and merchant were interchangable words by the time of Charlemagne.
Islam conquered because the traditional values of Greco-Rome, and possible of the Mid East, had been overthrown already by another new religion. So the struggle became a battle between the 2 newbies.
Jews were already 2nd class citizens in Christian Europe,, so they might adopt more easily to the 2nd class status of Islam. Christians in North Africa had been top dog; would they not decide to accept 2nd class citizenship under Islam? Could they? Wars continued between Islam and Christendom, especially in the Med Sea, each side enslaving the captives. And while Christians and Muslims continued to war against each other, Jews who had relatives in both Christian Europe and now also in Islam's N Africa could be come merchants, a risky business as pirates, and war ships might confiscate their packages. But in time, barred from owning land and doing many things, Jews became merchants.
Islam conquered because the traditional values of Greco-Rome, and possible of the Mid East, had been overthrown already by another new religion. So the struggle became a battle between the 2 newbies. The Muslims also used camels, as they had in Arabia. The Roman Empire's North Africa planned to defend itself through the sea, but the Muslims invaded Egypt and moved westward using camels, more adept to the sandy African expanse. So Islam conquered to Morocco, then most of Spain and Portugal. The land of St. Augustine was now the land of Allah.
Much of the long post by Pueyo concerns rain etc., is interesting, but sometimes it is hard to believe the the tv weather man for one week, much less for over 600 years. Interesting with a grain of salt.
His point about change in sexual population under Islam - a man can have 4 wives, so 25% of the men had no woman! He says, this makes them more warlike, determined to capture a wife. All those men without women!? Greek armies, lovers. Alexander may have fu**ed the wife of Darius, and his own wife, but his great love was his fellow warrior. The Sacred Band of Thebes, a group of male lovers, etc. Even the Roman general Julius Caesar was teased by his troops. Much later a Prot. leader in France declared Paris is worth a mass, became Roman Catholic, and yhen king of France. Caesar became quite friendly with the king of Pergamen? Perhaps Caesar reasoned, a kingdom is worth my ass. When the king died, he willed his kingdom to the Roman Republic. Of course Caesar also had a wife, fu**ed Cleopatra, etc. Many swung both ways, and slaves had no choice.
Even if Mohammad declared death for homos, in time, things changed in Islam. The Janissaries', sons of Christians, taken around age 14 to become slaves of the Sultan, and some of them would eventually form the best fighting units in Islam. They had new names, could not marry or have a family, forced to convert to Islam, so I suspect it was a gay group. The Christians had the death penalty for homos until the French Revolution, when Justinian's legal work was revised, and in France Jews, homos, and Protestants won equal rights. And where Napoleon's army swept in, so did his liberation of the oppressed. Was it only under Islam that the army was a source of liberation? Could armies be gay? Well, a King of France decided it was also true of Knights Templar, and he therefore sought to confiscate all their properties as a consequence. Proof- the Templar symbol of a knight riding a horse, but a young man riding the same horse at his back. Whether the charges were true or false, several kings used the charges to confiscate Templar properties. Others also say, twas the beginning of the Masons.
The original article by Tomas Pueyo raised the question of why Islam spread so quickly. 0n Substack, a source I seldom use. Unfortunately, I began the read about it 1am; I am a poor typist, and with poor eyesight. His article stressing geography was quite interesting, with maps; his discussion of the 2 major areas of long-lasting warfare rang true, and his discussion of the quick conquest of North Africa by Islam convincing. It perked my interest, and I wanted to add other reasons, like internal weaknesses, especially of the Christian West. His article stresses climate, rain, etc. I take the local tv weather forecast with a grain of salt, and that is only for a week; he covers weather for several hundred years. His name appears only once, and I constantly had trouble on my computer going back and forth trying to get it right while Substack kept interrupting for my name, etc. I am 87 and must urinate every hour or so, and had no time for the irritations. Bottom line, he wrote an excellent article and I urge all to take a look. My stress on the internal problems of Christian was written in an hour, top of my head, but I think it basically correct. He raised an important question, perhaps more important as Islam and modified Christianity face another confrontation today. Hope it inspires us to think about the earlier conflicts. I also hope I finally got his name right. I apologize for many more mistakes of spelling, typing than usual, but I was in a hurry to get this out. We have only had 1,500 years of clashes now. Hugh
An important point about the latest clash between the West and Islam. There In the last 1,400 years since Muhammad, there have been some major changes in Christentum. 2 very important ones, the American Revolution providing a great deal of freedom for citizens without regard to their religions. Also, the French Revolution, with its revision of the Justinian law code that had imposed legal restrictions on religious minorities and worse on homos. There are probably several other equally important changes in the Christian West making in a freer place to live, work, and create. Meanwhile, I know of no such reforms in Islam. "Death to America, death to Israel," the terror attack destroying 2 of the then tallest buildings in the world, the World Trade Center in NYC, (where I worked some years ago) and other threats and terror attacks in the US. To me the choice is clear - I stand with Trump and the West. I do not mean all Muslims are terrorists, but enough are, enough are unwilling to accept the basics of freedom for all in the West. So they cannot enjoy the same freedoms, as I see it. Long live America and its Allies. Hugh Murray



